Robert Ford, MD

Cataract and LASIK Surgeon

Professional Profile

Medical School

1974 – Loma Linda University School of Medicine, Loma Linda, CA

Residency

1978 – Ophthalmology – Loma Linda University Medical Center, Loma Linda, CA

Medical Practice

1978 to 1979 – J. L. Pettis Memorial VA Medical Center, Loma Linda, CA

1979 to 1985 – Private practice, Centralia, WA

1985 to present – Pacific Cataract and
Laser Institute

Efficient, pragmatic and generous, Dr. Ford has a gracious, quiet reserve and is able to maintain a steady focus no matter what is going on around him. People appreciate his unpretentious manner. Growing up in Northern California where his father practiced as a physician, young Bob spent hours tinkering with mechanical and electronic devices. He also developed an interest in aviation and earned his pilot’s license at a young age. Bob graduated from college with a degree in physics and decided on medical school out of admiration for his father’s skills. After earning his medical degree, he pursued a residency in ophthalmology because this field of medicine utilized the most physics. After practicing in Western Washington for 6 years, Dr. Ford co-founded Pacific Cataract and Laser Institute. In addition to participating in clinical studies of the excimer laser, he has made many innovations in cataract surgery and laser vision correction. Dr. Ford’s special interests include laser technology, computer programming, hiking, gardening and flying. He has a daughter and son—Laura and Marshall. A superb teacher, Dr. Ford enjoys sharing his knowledge and supporting numerous charitable endeavors. As a dedicated humanitarian, his goal is “To make a positive impact in the lives of those I work with and care for.”

Paul Chung, MD

CATARACT AND LASIK SURGEON,
GLAUCOMA SPECIALIST

Professional Profile

Medical School

1991 – Loma Linda University School of Medicine, Loma Linda, CA

Residency

1995 – Ophthalmology – Loma Linda University Medical Center, Loma Linda, CA

Fellowship

1996 – Glaucoma – New England Eye Center, Tufts University, Boston, MA

Medical Practice

1996 to 1997– Inland Eye Institute, Colton, CA and Loma Linda University

1997 to 2000 – J. L. Pettis Memorial VA Medical Center, Loma Linda, CA

2000 to 2001 – Omni Eye Services, Dalton, GA and Chattanooga, TN

2001 to present – Pacific Cataract and
Laser Institute

Precise, patient and unhurried, Dr. Chung’s gentle, soft-spoken manner is soothing to patients and those who work with him. People enjoy being around his positive, upbeat and easy-going personality. Born in Soonchun, South Korea, Paul grew up in San Jose, California where his father was a minister. As a popular, outstanding student, Paul was involved in many school activities and developed early leadership skills, as well as a passion for tennis. Graduating from college with a biochemistry major, Paul attended medical school. After earning his medical degree, Dr. Chung took an ophthalmology residency and then went on to complete subspecialty training in glaucoma. For 3 years, Dr. Chung served as chief of ophthalmology at the VA Hospital in Loma Linda, California. Then, he further honed his surgical skills at busy eye centers in Georgia and Tennessee. Dr. Chung likes to read, hike, play tennis and spend time with his family. He and his wife Iris, a family practice physician, have 4 sons and a daughter—Jared, Jason, Joelle, Joseph and Justin. Dr. Chung enjoys interacting with people in his quiet way and keeping things light with a touch of humor. But what he relishes most is reaching out to others. “It energizes me to assist people and I’m always happiest when I’m helping someone.”

Rochelle Cochrane, MD

CATARACT SURGEON

Professional Profile

Medical School

2004 — Loma Linda University School of Medicine, Loma Linda, CA

Residency

2008 — Ophthalmology, Texas Tech University Health Science Center, Lubbock, TX

Medical Practice

2008 to 2019 — Cochrane Ophthalmology Associates/Valley Eye Practice, Oroville, CA

2020 to present — Pacific Cataract
and Laser Institute

Thoughtful, meticulous and deeply caring, Dr. Cochrane is an attentive listener. She likes to interact with patients in a way that eases fear and helps them understand their treatment. Dr. Cochrane enjoys helping people regain good vision and live life with the best possible eye health. Born in southern California, Rochelle entered the world while both of her parents were completing their ophthalmology training at Loma Linda University Medical Center. Rochelle and her older brother grew up in a home where medical conversations were common. During medical school, Rochelle planned to pursue general surgery. But a few days into her ophthalmology rotation, she was able to answer all of the attending surgeon’s questions and realized ophthalmology was a natural fit. Being detail-oriented, she was drawn to the precision of microsurgery and inspired by the many ways it can help people’s vision. Away from work, Dr. Cochrane enjoys exploring the great outdoors, observing wildlife, snowboarding, cycling, surfing, scuba diving, landscape photography, and hanging out with Pipsqueak, her rescue cat. A conscientious professional, Dr. Cochrane considers it a privilege to improve another person’s quality of life. “It is rewarding to be able to share any skill God has given me with those who need it."

Jason Leng, MD

CATARACT SURGEON

Professional Profile

Medical School

2006 — Loma Linda University, School of Medicine, Loma Linda, CA

Residency

2010 — Ophthalmology — Loma Linda University Medical Center, Loma Linda, CA

Medical Practice

2010 to 2011 — Jerry L. Pettis Memorial VA Medical Center, Loma Linda, CA

2011 to present — Pacific Cataract
and Laser Institute

Gentle, soft-spoken and polite, Dr. Leng’s unassuming demeanor can disguise his love of lighthearted jest and depth of caring. People appreciate his well-mannered, unhurried approach and excellent listening skills. Originally from Central California, Jason grew up in the small, rural community of Colville, Washington where his father practiced dentistry. Although Jason enjoyed living on forest land close to recreational activities, music was his real passion and consumed most of his spare time. Graduating from university with a biology major, Jason’s strong desire to help people led him into medical school. After earning his medical degree, Dr. Leng completed an ophthalmology residency because it fit his personality—he likes computers, electronics, lasers and paying close attention to small details. Earning a reputation for precision, he taught cataract surgery skills to ophthalmology residents in Loma Linda, California before joining Pacific Cataract and Laser Institute. A gifted violinist, pianist, performing artist and recording engineer, Dr. Leng also enjoys photography, filmmaking, flying, culinary arts, skiing and hiking. He resides in Chehalis, Washington. A humble facilitator and teacher, Dr. Leng is energized by serving others. “Not being able to see is a huge handicap. The privilege of helping someone be able to reconnect to the world and their family by seeing is a big deal.”

William Gruzensky, MD

Cataract and LASIK Surgeon,
Corneal Specialist

Professional Profile

Medical School

1982 – Loma Linda University School of Medicine, Loma Linda, CA

Residency

1992 – Ophthalmology – Loma Linda University Medical Center, Loma Linda, CA

Fellowship

1993 – Cornea and External Disease – University of California, Davis Medical Center, Sacramento, CA

Medical Practice

1993 to 1995 – Locum Tenens in Boulder, CO, Aberdeen, SD

1995 to 1999 – The Wilmer Institute, Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, Baltimore, MD

1999 to present – Pacific Cataract and
Laser Institute

Friendly, soft-spoken and dependable, Dr. Gruzensky is a good communicator who makes people feel comfortable and relaxed. Patients and doctors appreciate his experience and careful approach to care. Bill grew up in the open canyon lands outside Boulder, Colorado, where his father worked as a chemist. An avid outdoorsman, Bill climbed 16 of Colorado’s highest peaks while a teenager. Graduating from college with a major in chemistry, Bill went on to take medicine. After earning his medical degree, Dr. Gruzensky practiced several years in Alaska and Ethiopia. Going back to school, he took a residency in ophthalmology and completed specialty training in cornea and external eye disease. For 4 years, Dr. Gruzensky taught ophthalmology residents the skills of eye surgery at Johns Hopkins School of Medicine, one of the nation’s premier medical schools. An outdoor adventurer, Dr. Gruzensky enjoys skiing, backpacking, mountain climbing, dog sledding and flying. He and his wife Trish, a learning center teacher, have two daughters—Heidi and Michaela. Improving the human condition and quality of people’s lives defines Dr. Gruzensky’s commitment as a surgeon. “It is very rewarding to be able to treat a person who can’t see well and give them new eyesight.”

James Guzek, MD

CATARACT SURGEON, CORNEAL SPECIALIST

Professional Profile

Medical School

1978 — Hahnemann Medical College, Philadelphia, PA

Residency

1982 — Ophthalmology — Geisinger Medical Center, Danville, PA

Fellowship

1983 — Cornea and External Disease — Tulane University, New Orleans, LA

Medical Practice

1983 to 1986 — King Khaled Eye Specialist Hospital, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

1987 to 1990 — Ruhunu Eye Hospital, Weligama, Sri Lanka

1990 to 1997 — Chief of Ophthalmology – J. L. Pettis VA Hospital, Loma Linda, CA

1998 to 2002 — Margaret Marquart Catholic Hospital, Kpando, Ghana, West Africa

2002 to present — Pacific Cataract
and Laser Institute

Thoughtful, kind and pleasant, Dr. Guzek has a good natured demeanor that is valued by colleagues and patients alike. His soft-spoken, easy-going temperament and careful attention to detail puts people at ease. A native of Scranton, Pennsylvania, where his father practiced as an ophthalmologist, Jim grew up in this old coal mining town playing basketball every moment he could squeeze into the day. Jim graduated from college with a degree in biology and then pursued medicine. After earning his medical degree, he completed a residency in ophthalmology and went on to specialize in cornea and external disease. For 7 years, Dr. Guzek was chief of ophthalmology at the VA Hospital in Loma Linda, California. He also practiced 3 years in Saudi Arabia and 6 years as a medical missionary in Sri Lanka and West Africa. Dr. Guzek enjoys relaxing with a good book, bicycling, hiking and listening to classical music. He and his wife Roberta, a nurse, have 2 sons and twin daughters—James, Joseph, Leah and Rachel. There is little Dr. Guzek has not encountered in his broad scope of experience. His concern is for the greater welfare of people. “Everyone has needs and I consider it a privilege to be able to help as many people as I possibly can.”

Brian Carey, MD

Cataract and LASIK Surgeon

Professional Profile

Medical School

1989 – Tulane University School of Medicine, New Orleans, LA

Residency

1993 – Ophthalmology – Tulane University School of Medicine, New Orleans, LA

Medical Practice

1993 to 1998 – Polyclinic and private practice, Seattle, WA

1998 to 2000 – Private practice,
Birmingham, AL

2000 to 2010 – Private practice, Seattle, WA

2010 to present – Pacific Cataract and
Laser Institute

Friendly, outgoing and optimistic, Dr. Carey is easy to talk with and immediately comfortable to be around. People are attracted to his open honesty and willingness to listen. A native of Seattle, Washington, Brian grew up enjoying the outdoor activities of the Northwest. His father, an ophthalmologist, helped establish the Department of Ophthalmology at the University of Washington School of Medicine. At university, Brian majored in cell biology and then pursued medicine. Earning his medical degree, Dr. Carey went on to complete an ophthalmology residency. In addition to cataract surgery, he was fortunate to perform a large number of refractive surgeries and learn valuable techniques from some of the profession’s pioneers. After practicing with his brother in Seattle and then briefly in Birmingham, Alabama, Dr. Carey returned to Seattle, where he expanded his surgical skills. Besides performing surgery, he enjoys serving as a team ophthalmologist for the Seattle Seahawks. Dr. Carey’s interests are tennis, golf, scuba diving and snow skiing. He and his wife Vicki, a residential realtor, have a daughter and twin sons—Barbara Ann, Thomas and Joseph. A committed team player, Dr. Carey is gifted with excellent surgical hands, good judgment and holds himself to a high standard of care. “I feel very fortunate and humbled to be able to help people see better.”

Bryan Edgington, MD

Cataract and LASIK Surgeon,
Corneal Specialist

Professional Profile

Medical School

2001 – University of Wisconsin Medical School, Madison, WI

Residency

2005 – Ophthalmology – The George Washington University Medical Center, Washington, DC

Fellowship

2006 – Cornea and External Disease – Tufts Medical Center and Ophthalmic Consultants of Boston, MA

Medical Practice

2006 to 2012 – Assistant Professor in Ophthalmology, The George Washington University School of Medicine, Washington, DC and Clinical and Surgical Instructor, VA Medical Center, Martinsburg, WV

2012 to 2018 – Director of Cornea Service, VA Medical Center and Associate Professor of Cornea Service at Casey Eye Institute, OHSU, Portland, OR

2018 to present – Pacific Cataract and
Laser Institute

Curious, adventurous and lighthearted, Dr. Edgington easily connects with all types of people. He enjoys the technical aspects of surgery and making a difference in peoples’ lives by helping them see. Born in a suburb of Chicago, Illinois, Bryan grew up in Milwaukee, Wisconsin where his father worked as a chemist. Throughout his schooling, Bryan was active in sports and music—competitive swimming, rowing crew, band and symphony. Graduating university with a degree in biological sciences, Bryan joined the Peace Corps in the South Pacific where he taught school for two years. After earning his medical degree, Dr. Edgington completed an ophthalmology residency and went on to finish a corneal fellowship. For six years, he taught ophthalmology residents the skills of cataract, corneal and refractive surgery at The George Washington University School of Medicine in Washington, DC. Then he served as director of cornea service at the VA Medical Center in Portland Oregon and as associate professor of cornea service at Casey Eye Institute at Oregon Health and Science University. Dr. Edgington’s interests include skiing, snowshoeing, hiking, kayaking, canoeing, travel and exploring. He and his wife Tara, who has an MBA in international business, have a son—Anton. Fun, loyal and available for people in need, Dr. Edgington has volunteered his surgical skills across the globe. “What I’ve learned is that helping people see makes them smile in every country.”

David Gano, MD

CATARACT SURGEON

Professional Profile

Medical School

1993 — Loma Linda University School of Medicine, Loma Linda, CA

Residency

1997 — Ophthalmology — Loma Linda University Medical Center, Loma Linda, CA

Medical Practice

1997 to 2007 — Kaiser Permanente,
Riverside, CA

2007 to present — Pacific Cataract
and Laser Institute

Outgoing, friendly and engaging, Dr. Gano has a charming sense of humor and is able to bond quickly with others. His careful precision, thoroughness and expertise is appreciated by colleagues as well as patients. David was born in Gainesville, Florida, where his father owned a real estate business. He grew up on their small farm helping with a big vegetable garden every summer, climbing trees and playing in the lime pits nearby. Graduating from college with a degree in chemistry, David continued his academic studies and obtained a masters degree in biochemistry. Then, he went on to earn his medical degree and complete a residency in ophthalmology. For 10 years, Dr. Gano practiced with Kaiser Permanente in Southern California, where he performed a considerable number of cataract surgeries before joining Pacific Cataract and Laser Institute. In addition to singing and playing guitar, Dr. Gano is an amateur juggler and likes to water ski, swim and scuba dive. He and his wife, Angela, a nurse, have two sons—Alexander and Donovan. A caring and dedicated team player, Dr. Gano enjoys explaining the intricacies of the eye and helping to restore vision. "It's all about doing a good job for those who trust me with their care."

Joyce Choe, MD

CATARACT SURGEON, GLAUCOMA SPECIALIST

Professional Profile

Medical School

1998 — Loma Linda School of Medicine, Loma Linda, CA

Residency

2002 — Ophthalmology — Loma Linda University Medical Center, Loma Linda, CA

Fellowship

2003 — Glaucoma — University of California, San Francisco, CA

Master's Degree

2011 — Public Health (Epidemiology) — Loma Linda University School of Public Health, CA

Medical Practice

2003 to 2004 — Monterey County Eye Associates, Salinas, CA

2004 to 2006 — Glendale Eye Medical Group, Glendale, CA

2004 to 2011 — J.L. Pettis Memorial VA Medical Center, Loma Linda, CA

2009 to 2011 — Pacific Eye Institute,
Upland, CA

2011 to present — Pacific Cataract
and Laser Institute

Cheerful, energetic and enthusiastic, Dr. Choe (pronounced Cheh) connects easily with others. Although exacting and particular, she is quick to laugh at herself and see the lighter side. Originally from California, Joyce grew up in Wisconsin and Michigan where her father practiced as an anesthesiologist. She took piano lessons for years but was more interested in the medical focus that was familiar in her home. Graduating from university with a religion major due to her fascination with the mind-body connection, Joyce went on to earn her medical degree. Finishing a residency in ophthalmology, Dr. Choe then completed specialty training in glaucoma. While working with several private clinics, she served as a cataract surgeon and glaucoma specialist at the VA Hospital in Loma Linda, California for 7 years. Dr. Choe enjoys being outdoors, hiking, visiting other cultures, learning about healthy lifestyles and providing surgical care on medical missions. She resides in Vancouver, Washington. An advocate of healthy living, Dr. Choe likes helping people maximize their lives through optimal vision and lifestyle. “Eyes are windows that allow us to tell what’s happening in the rest of the body—to see things before patients even know they have a problem.”

Loren Seery, MD

CATARACT and LASIK SURGEON, CORNEAL SPECIALIST

Professional Profile

Medical School

2006 — Loma Linda University School of Medicine, Loma Linda, CA

Residency

2010 — Ophthalmology — Mayo Clinic, Department of Ophthalmology,
Rochester, MN

Fellowship

2011 — Cornea and External Disease — Washington University, Dept. of Ophthalmology, St. Louis, MO

Medical Practice

2011 to 2015 — Guam Seventh-day Adventist Eye Clinic, Tamuning, Guam

2015 to present — Pacific Cataract
and Laser Institute

Warm and engaging, Dr. Seery is soft-spoken with a relaxed, unhurried pace and enjoys connecting with those around him. People appreciate his kind, considerate demeanor. Born in Fort Worth, Texas, the son of missionary parents, Loren spent his early years in Indonesia and New Guinea. When his family returned to Texas, he grew up in the small town of Keene, enjoying time spent outdoors and water skiing in the hot summers. In university, Loren majored in biology. He also earned his pilot’s license and spent a year in India as a student missionary. After medical school and ophthalmology residency training, Dr. Seery went on to complete a fellowship in cornea and external eye disease. For the next four years, Dr. Seery practiced on the island of Guam, performing cataract surgery and treating a wide variety of eye problems. In addition to eye missions, Dr. Seery’s interests include long-distance cycling, snorkeling and scuba diving, hiking, flying, church activities, prison ministry, and playing violin. He and his wife Karen, who has a master’s degree in elementary education, have a daughter and son—Ashlyn and Bryan. Dr. Seery is meticulous with details and passionate about helping others. “Sight is the sense people hold most dear and are most fearful of losing. So for eye care providers, it’s a great opportunity and responsibility.”

Marshall Ford, MD

Cataract and LASIK Surgeon,
Corneal Specialist

Professional Profile

Medical School

2007 – Loma Linda University School of Medicine, Loma Linda, CA

Residency

2011 – Ophthalmology – Loma Linda University Medical Center, Loma Linda, CA

Fellowship

2012 – Cornea and Refractive Surgery – University of Rochester Medical Center, Rochester, NY

Medical Practice

2012 to present – Pacific Cataract and
Laser Institute

Polite, thoughtful and open, Dr. Ford has a calm and gentle disposition. People appreciate his sincerity and listening skills, as well as his careful precision and attention to detail. Born in Southern California, Marshall grew up in Chehalis, Washington where his father, Dr. Robert Ford, co-founded Pacific Cataract and Laser Institute. As a youngster, Marshall spent a lot of time building devices and taking things apart to discover how they worked. At age 16, he earned his private pilot’s license. Graduating from university with a degree in mechanical engineering, Marshall continued his studies in medical school. After earning his medical degree, Dr. Ford completed an ophthalmology residency and went on to pursue specialty training in cornea and refractive surgery. Dr. Ford enjoys time with his family, fitness training, computers, flying and off-road motorcycling. He and his wife Kelly, a veterinarian, make their home in Chehalis, Washington. They have two daughters—Lucy and Maile. Unassuming, steady and focused, Dr. Ford’s goal is to continually advance the outcomes of surgery, doing whatever he can to improve results and make them more predictable. “Vision is so important to our quality of life. I want to use any talent I have to help restore sight and honor the Creator of this wonderful sense.”

Eden Yoon, MD

CATARACT SURGEON

Professional Profile

Medical School

2013 – Loma Linda University School of Medicine, Loma Linda, CA

Residency

2017 – Ophthalmology – Loma Linda University Medical Center, Loma Linda, CA

Medical Practice

2017 to 2018 – Vancouver Eye Care, Vancouver, WA

2018 to present – Pacific Cataract and Laser Institute

Kind and approachable, Dr. Yoon has a cheerful and fun-loving personality. Passionate about helping people see, he enjoys the intricacies of eye surgery. Born in Glendale, California, Eden grew up nearby in San Gabriel. He loved playing basketball and dreamed of becoming a doctor. In college, Eden tutored biology and chemistry students, spent a year studying in Spain, and graduated with a major in Spanish. Before medical school, he mentored abused mothers and their children at a shelter in Peru. He also had the opportunity to observe eye surgery at Pacific Cataract and Laser Institute. Seeing how happy patients were with their new vision was a crucial factor in his decision to pursue ophthalmology specialty training. In his last year, Dr. Yoon was able to spend a month doing cataract surgery in Zambia, Africa with a veteran eye surgeon learning how to restore vision without modern instruments. Joining a private clinic in Vancouver, Washington, Dr. Yoon focused on comprehensive ophthalmology and cataract surgery. He and his wife, Brinja, a dental hygienist, have a daughter and son—Tealyn and Tayte. Caring and committed, Dr. Yoon wants to help disadvantaged people in the world be able to see. “I feel like I have received so much, and volunteering is a way for me to give back.”

Oswald Rondón, MD

CATARACT SURGEON

Professional Profile

Medical School

2002 – University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, Pittsburgh, PA

Residency

2006 – Ophthalmology – Nassau University Medical Center/State University of New York at Stony Brook, East Meadow, NY

Fellowship

2007 – Glaucoma – Tufts University School of Medicine/Ophthalmic Consultants, Boston, MA

Medical Practice

2011 to 2016 – Aran Eye Associates, Coral Gables, FL

2016 to 2020 – The Eye Clinic Surgicenter, Billings, MT

2020 to present – Pacific Cataract and Laser Institute

Friendly, positive, and delightfully engaging, Dr. Rondón loves people and interacting with patients. An excellent communicator, he likes to answer questions and help those in his care understand the health of their eyes. Fascinated by the visual system’s intricate design, Dr. Rondón enjoys the microscopic precision of surgery. Born in Manhattan, Oswald grew up in New York until age 13. Then his family moved to the Dominican Republic for three years before returning to Florida. In college, Oswald majored in biology. Since childhood, he’d been interested in becoming a physician but wasn’t thrilled with the potential of long work hours away from family. Then Oswald met an eye surgeon at a school function. When he learned how much the doctor enjoyed his job, and that it didn’t involve a 100+ hour work week, he decided to pursue ophthalmology. After medical school and ophthalmology residency, Dr. Rondón went on to complete specialty training in glaucoma. Away from work, Dr. Rondón likes baseball and basketball, mountain biking, Bible study, and spending time with family. His wife, Betty, home schools their son, Amedeo, and daughter, Amadis. Dr. Rondón feels that God has led him into ophthalmology. “I get to positively impact people’s lives and help them see better.”

Michael Seward, MD

CATARACT AND LASIK SURGEON,

CORNEAL SPECIALIST

Professional Profile

Medical School

1997 – Medical College of Georgia, Augusta, GA

Residency

1998 to 2001 – Ophthalmology – University of Kentucky, Lexington, KY

Fellowship

2001 to 2002 – Cornea, external eye disease and refractive surgery – University of Texas, Southwestern, Dallas, TX

Medical Practice

2002 to 2023 – Great Lakes Eye Care, St. Joseph, MI

2023 to present – Pacific Cataract and Laser Institute

Friendly, kind, and deeply caring, Dr. Seward enjoys meeting patients, answering their questions, and helping them feel comfortable. He loves the opportunity to restore people’s vision through surgery. Born in New Jersey, Michael grew up in a close-knit family of six in the small town of Fletcher, North Carolina. At the age of 7, he decided he wanted to be a doctor because of a quaint nearby Christian hospital where his siblings were born. Michael discovered his passion for eyecare during medical school while on a one-month rotation with Mercy Ships in Africa. “I spent time observing cataract and eye muscle surgeries. From the very first day, I knew I needed to do that,” he says. Dr. Seward completed his ophthalmology training in Kentucky and Texas. Over the next two decades, he took extended periods away from private practice in Michigan to provide vision care and surgery for underserved populations—three years in Zambia, Africa, and four years in Papua New Guinea. He and his wife, Jannike, who holds a Ph.D. in special education, now reside in Anchorage, Alaska. “I love fixing things in general, and I particularly love restoring vision,” Dr. Seward says. “I want my patients to know they’re in the hands of somebody who really cares about them.”